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the trump campaign and the republican national committee pulled out a president biden on fundraising in the first quarter. >> president trump is absolutely been using his legal challenges in this conviction on the campaign trail. >> alphonse capone was indicted less than trump. >> the race to running mate has narrowed to two men. >> senator marco rubio is also reportedly still in contention. >> a lot of the maga wing of the party is betting on vance. >> they argue he offers more balance between the sort of two lanes of the republican party. >> donald trump is going to change as my numerous times about this. >> joe biden is doing a very traditional game plan, perhaps up until the debate. trump really likes to do this.

>> is the most incompetent, the dumbest. he is just a horrible, horrible president. >> the debate is going to make clear the contrast between our president, the current president who works on behalf of the american people, fights for the american people, and the former president to pretty much spends full-time fighting for himself. >> good evening once again. i am stephanie ruhle. welcome to the nightcap, and i hope your seatbelts are on, because we are just now 137 days away from the election. it is the first day of summer and campaign season is certainly heating up. with huge fundraising numbers, just weeks until the rnc convention, and less than one week away from the first presidential debate. president joe biden and the democrats say they had a total of 221 million bucks at the end of may, what is cash advantage

over donald trump is now gone. the trump campaign says it ended may with $235 million, and that includes a huge fundraising hall after trump's conviction. this weekend, trump is in camp david in debate prep mode while he's already trying to make excuses for himself, telling supporters that the debate moderators are going to treat them fairly. let's bring in our nightcap, and is a fantastic group. democratic strategist james carville, who helped elect former president bill clinton in the early 90s. susan page joins us, and eddie lott is here, princeton professor and msnbc contributor, and mary carillo, nbc tennis analyst, olympics correspondent. this will be her 16th time covering the olympics. so a presidential debate, that is child's play for mary. james, we are going to start with you. where you think we are on this race? >> pretty stark.

maybe a touch battle for president biden, but it is very problematic. of course, the war. anybody who says they think who know is going to win, they are not really paying attention to what is going on. hopefully there's a good debate here. but we are watching closely. stuck in a pretty narrow trading range, and it's pretty close. >> what you think about these fundraising numbers? should the biden campaign be worried? >> i think president biden -- you know, get $150 million check, that's a pretty good number right there. i'm not too concerned about the way he's going now. i think he's probably doing pretty well. i'm not really concerned about that. >> susan, we are seeing --

>> i was just asking james, because he has been a political strategist for so long. what is donald trump's -- here is your opening statement. and then it's just going to be -- it is fixed, it is fixed, and hunter biden. is that pretty much -- >> i don't think he prepares. and i agree with matthew. you don't even know who is going to pick. he could get up one morning and decide to pick somebody. i have always been of the opinion and continue to be of the opinion, there's a good chance he shows up. he just gets on the bed the morning of the 27th and say, i'm doing this. you know, he said he was going to testify on his own behalf at his trial. of course, he never did. and just because trump says he's going to do something is no indication whatsoever that that is something that's going to be done. so i stay skeptical, but i

don't think he's bad. i think he's going to try a couple of things and president biden as well will be prepared and ready for that. >> i would take the bet, james, that donald trump shows up with the debate. because donald trump, i think, believes that he can be -- eviscerates president biden in the debates. i don't know if that's true, but i believe that's what trump believes he can do. he has a lot of confidence, he's been very aggressive on the debate stage. it super hard for candidates to figure out how to counter that. you saw joe biden last time around try to deal with the interruptions and finally say, will you please shut up, man? which is a very memorable debate line. but i think trump is really eager to be, because he portrays these two versions of biden. one is kind of a guy that would be very skilled and will have the moderators on his side. on the other hand, he says what

i think he really believes, that biden will be a weak opponent and that he can show him up next thursday. >> clearly, you know a lot. even talking about it for how many years. if i'm wrong, you know, i'm wrong a lot. >> journalist everywhere appreciate the fact that you make outrageous predictions, several of which you believe. >> yes. i just don't think that trump is going to be nonconsent dressed. i don't know. that's to sticking my finger in the way. >> eddie, what you think we are going to get in this debate? >> chaos. absolute chaos. we are going to be overrun from trump's side with nonsense. i think if biden's task is to stay steady in the midst of what will be an onslaught, donald trump believes -- i

think susan is right in this regard, that he is the master of this form. and he thinks he's going to step in front of those cameras and he's going to manhandle joe biden. i think it's important for iris joe to show up and pop him in the chin. to pop the convict -- the convicted felon in the chin. but i don't know how substantive it will be. it will be an indication of the depth of -- of where we have fallen in terms of our politics. so my expectation, if he shows up -- because i trust jameses wisdom here, but my instinct tells me that he's going to be there. it's going to be an absolute mess, in my view. >> i would say politics, the third shot is where it counts. i like tennis, they are going to return your served. they are going to return it. and i think, mary, you can tell me this, you really have to

train to get in position or when your served comes back. understand, he will launch an attack. trouble have some kind of answer, just be ready for a short sentence. because the third shot is the kill shot. and you got to be ready for that. >> i will be watching for that. i like that. >> and i've always taught that and believe that. i never was much of a tennis player, and i do know that i seen these guys with every serve. they don't come back. in politics, it always comes back to you. and sometimes you can just kill them with that third shot. >> but think about the fact that we are a week out from this thing and donald trump is already working, trying to complain about the moderators. mary, pretend these two players are athletes. what does it tell you that one athlete is not deep in training, he is out there already complaining, saying this thing is rigged against them? >> i think that's a terrible

idea. what's great about sports is that it's a level of excellence that you really have to earn. you earn your muscles. you earn the consistency. all it takes is theater. it's different from sports in that way, isn't it? and donald trump is very theatrical. he's very dramatic. even when he's not making any sense, he is loud about it. >> susan, we are seeing some people come off the bench that we haven't seen before. melinda french gates, this week, came out and endorsed joe biden, and she said she had to. everything is at stake when it comes to women and girls. were you surprised that we heard from her, and using more voices like hers will come out soon? >> you know, i think there is a sense among a lot of americans that this is an election with stakes we've never faced before in modern times.

you know, there are some trump supporters who think that way. but there are a lot of supporters of president biden, or maybe people who haven't taken sides yet believe it would be a danger to democracy to elect donald trump with some of the proposals he's made, some of the ideas of taking control of the justice department. so, yes. i think that we will have some addresses like that. but i'm not sure i think these endorsem*nts matter very much. i think what is more likely to matter to voters and where it counts, i think, for the slight improvement that we've seen in several national and swing state polls for joe biden is how people feel things are going in their own lives. now what a celebrity or an executive or a philanthropist tells them. so if the economy has been going pretty well, inflation and the slightly better check of wages are going up, unemployment continues to be huge. i think that is why biden is

doing a little better. even in the fox news poll, for the first time since october this week, biden led trump in the fox news poll. and i think that is what that reflects. >> i think susan is absolutely right. you can get celebrity endorsem*nts, stephanie. that will be okay. that is fine. but it's all about the balking and tackling on the ground. i think biden and the campaign has to flip his own. they have to be intense, particularly in milwaukee, in detroit, in philadelphia, and atlanta or fulton county. flood the zone. we need to get folk on the ground to get folk out. you can have endorsem*nts. that will excite people, i suppose. at the end of the day, you need a ground game. in the ground game can defeat trump and his chaos, i believe. >> james, someone once said -- i think they were pretty smart -- that, is the economy stupid?

this is been really complicated for the president for the last year. susan just laid out all of this good economic data, but it hasn't aligned with how the american people are feeling. do you think that is starting to shift? >> i certainly hope so. it's a kind of rule that you have to be very deep and when economic recovery before a lot of people feel it. i can show you evidence or trump isn't doing near as well as he should be. he's actually doing better than you think with voters over 65. in this economy very much benefits people like me, who don't have a mortgage or are in the stock market. and i think it's great. if you are 26, i was looking at the day and how expensive it is to buy a home. how expensive a college education is. and i think the president needs to sort of acknowledge that.

my suggestion is that he do away with the trump tax cut and start a first-time homebuyers relief fund. tell people you see them out there. tell people you understand. i tell a 26-year-old, this is the best economy i could imagine. i make x numbers of dollars today in the nasdaq or something. when we got to be careful that we embrace what other people are talking and thinking. >> we want our young voters to think and vote. it's one of the rails that our society runs on, but if you vote for trump and he wins, he's going to wipe out boating altogether. i got to assume that young people do understand that. >> i'm not sure, mary. i we got to do a better job about telling them. tell them about the supreme court. that's the money question. that's the one that they watch.

people know what voting means. and i see these younger black folks turned off and not voting or something. it would be unthinkable to john lewis, it would be unthinkable to jim clyburn, it would be applicable to rosa parks, it would be unthinkable to willie mays do not vote. and we are not doing a sufficient job of communicating that. the black experience of voting is entirely different. we just roll out of bed and vote . our grandparents voted. it's a different experience. >> i think that is a really important point for different reasons, james. i think it's important for us to remember that these young folk are engaged. young voters in so many ways saved american democracy. think about what was happening in wisconsin, how they flip the court there. how young voters in madison turned out in droves.

you think about young folk in 2020 and the way that the state turned out, particularly black women. we have to begin to say, well, what is at the heart of -- why are they lukewarm in this moment? of course it has something to do with everything you talked about, james. mortgages, rents, they are having a difficult time. it's also about gaza and what is happening there. it seems that they are making a judgment about the political process, but they have to understand -- even as you bring critique to bear on the biden administration, they got to keep these folk out of office so they can continue to bring critique to bear. because of trump and his people win, democracy is a wrap, and that's not hyperbole. i think that is absolutely the truth. >> you are right. but we've got a job. we just got to do a better job of bringing this home, that their

participation and decision is based on what actually is happening right now. if we are able to do that, we can do better. >> susan, monday marks two years since the dobbs decision, and of course, role being overturned. is that going to be the catalyst to being voters out in november? we know joe biden want that to be the case. >> ever since the dobbs decision, we seen this incredible energy on this issue of reproductive rights among young people, also among women, suburban women, independent minded women, republican women. it's really delivered for democrats in a series of elections since then. it's probably not enough on its own, to swaying a close presidential election. it's a powerful issue for democrats, but there are democrats who think this alone is going to rescue the democratic party in november.

i think that is probably wrong. it's one of several really powerful issues the people vote on. the economy is one, democracy is another. as already mentioned, gaza and the situation in the middle east has kind of become unexpectedly a defining issue in this election, and one that has presented some real challenges for joe biden and is likely to be the source of some enormous protest we expect at the chicago convention in august. >> i think susan has a point. is this enough? i would make a counterpoint. we have not lost election since dobbs anywhere. not south, north, east, west, midwest. i know it's a different turnout model, and i kind of share susan's thing -- it may not be enough, but it's a powerful edition. there some powerful in those parts. >> let me close this by asking the world's dumbest question -- after everything that i've listened to for the last 10 minutes, why the -- is this

race this close, eddie? >> you know, first of all, you never ask a dumb question. particularly the world's dumbest question. the question actually cuts to the core of things. you know, we talked about policy. we can talk about issues. but i think at the heart of this is an existential question. passions are driving this election for the presidency. that there are so many folk out there who believe that they are losing their way of life. and irrespective of trump or who he is, he is an avatar for their grievance. and so it is baked into the process that what we are dealing with right now is, i think, a fundamental question about who we are as americans. and some people have made a choice, and that choice informs their support of donald trump, and others are kind of

wavering. they are not quite sure. so i think there's some deep existential questions, cultural questions beneath the questions around policy that often drive our politics -- political discussions. there is something much more cultural at work here, i think, that is driving this whole thing. >> it is all about grievance, but it is extraordinary that people think donald trump is the one who can solve it. nobody is going anywhere. when we come back, the line between church and state is getting murky in james's home state of louisiana. how the new law to require the 10 commandments in every public school classroom isn't a one- off. it is playing directly into the project 2025 plan. and later, america's top doctor and his diagnosis on social media. why he is pushing for serious warning labels to protect our children. when the nightcap and the 11th hour continue. hour continue.

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>> pay close attention to this one, because we are still watching the fallout louisiana over a new law that challenges the separation of church and state in this country. on wednesday, republican governor jeff landry signed a law requiring the display of the 10 commandments in every public school classroom. the commandments, the law states, must be the central focus of the display, and printed in large, easily readable font. our nightcap is still with us.

susan, what is your take on this? you have covered politics for a long, long time. did you ever think you would see this, especially in 2024? >> it's kind of a throwback, it seems like, to an earlier century. you know, there was a time when , maybe especially in the south, but also elsewhere in rural areas, where you might see displays of christianity, religion in classrooms. we seem to have really moved away from it and are extremely diverse country. so this is a surprise. i'm not a lawyer, but it does seem to me that this is unlikely to stand up to a constitutional challenge that notes that the sit separation of church and state was maybe the founding principle of the united states of america. >> they know this might stand up in court, but they are trying to make a point. james, what is going on in your state? >> when it comes to religion, religion and politics, when i

first ran for governor, i'd rig up my horse and buggy and take my catholic parents to mass and my other grandparents to church. i never knew you had catholic grandparents. okay? i mean, now more than ever, it's a pack of fools. understand, you're telling your faculty brethren at princeton, this is another shot for christian nationalism. these people are heavily vested in louisiana, and they are extremely well-funded and more now. religious freedom in this country, freedom of thought, is

put front and center. this is our version of pearl harbor. and you just think this is about somebody doing this -- one of the things that a lot of us have pointed out, the teachers can put them facing the wall. i don't know. but i mean, it's also stupid, and it's all so part of the culture and politicians using religion to try to foster their political ambitions. they are not even clever about it anymore. at least they had a sense of humor and a clever story he made up in the back of his head. jeff landry couldn't think of a story if you gave him two years. >> but more than 20 years ago, this happened in alabama, remember? they had to remove a two ton 10 commandments monument, right? from a court building, because it was unconstitutional.

>> eddie, how did we get there? that is true. the supreme court ruled that this was unconstitutional more than 40 years ago. so eddie, you are the professor. how did we get here today? mary just gave a great example. >> first of all, i think there are forces out there that believe they have a court now that would be more open to the position that they are taking. and we need to see this -- is a connection between part of something that we talked about in the last segment and this segment, landry wouldn't even be in office if black people turned out to new orleans. right, james? we have an idea of the impact. but i also want to make a connection. there is this issue around the 10 commandments or prayer in school or religion in schools. there's the issue around abortion. there is the issue around lgbtq plus. all of these elements were featured of jerry falwell's

movement. they were features of jordan. these are the culture wars 3.0. we are in the midst, stephanie, of relitigating the mid-20th century. and you have white christian nationalist who are pushing this agenda, and it is connecting with certain views that have always been in the soup. so i think we've got to be careful about what we are seeing. we can visit with dismiss it as nonsense, but it has a long lineage in terms of our political culture. >> you would be an idiot to dismiss this. you know, we thought that the right for an abortion was enshrined in the constitution. and you know, for 50 years, they fought this thing. and we lost. and if you read -- book, you can see why we lost. liberally advocacy groups aren't worth the powder takes to blow them up. they got billions of dollars, and they are coming.

and they want to put -- this is just what they are. mike johnson is a theocrat. plain and simple. i don't think you even go out of his way to try and hide it. and there are a whole nest of them around baton rouge. and they are very influential, and they are expanding. they have a vision way beyond louisiana for this theocracy. i promise you. anybody that dismisses that, i don't say you aren't a fool, you just aren't informed. >> susan, to that very point, last week i interviewed democratic congressman jared hoffman. he's the founder of a new task force that has aimed at taking on project 2025 and he said something alarming. that if democrats in congress wait around and just react to project 2025 as it unfolds, it will be too late. what do you think about that?

>> absolutely. this is not 2016. in 2016, democrats didn't think trump is going to win. trump didn't think trump is going to win. when he did win and opened this new administration in the white house, they were not a well organized machine. you know, trump has outlined a lot of positions during the campaign, but they haven't built the kind of infrastructure to implement them. and that made it harder for him to be effective at some of the things he wanted to do. it will be different this time. if trump wins in november, he will have this heritage foundation operation project 2025 in place that will have policies outlined, papers drafted, personnel identified to move much more quickly and efficiently to do the things that he wants to do. the other difference, i think, if we are looking at that prospect, is that when he won in 2016, there were still some republicans were following the established republican line,

providing some guardrails around the trump administration. those people are mostly out of office or cowed. you should not expect some of the pushback trump got internally with his first administration if he wins a second one. >> you know what, susan? what you just said was so heavy, i'm going to take a commercial break so everybody can go get themselves a stiff drink before we finish the show. everybody is staying right there. when we come back, social media adds could soon have warning labels, treating them like they are cigarettes. but the most important question -- will it make an actual difference, wears this country to deep, too addicted at this point? when the 11th hour and the nightcap continue. go get a drink. drink.

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>> the u.s. surgeon general is calling for a tobacco style warning label on social media platforms. but for many technology experts, that solution falls flat, and the fear that the genie is out of the bottle and we are suffering. our nightcap panel is still with us. eddie, the kids are going to use the social media platforms no matter what. parents are frustrated, they are angry. as a talk about their frustration, their kids are doing scrolling. this change is important. but there is not resources, there is not consequences. does this announcement do

anything to solve this problem? >> no, it doesn't do anything to solve the problem. it puts us on a path to eventually solve it, i think. i think we need to understand that especially our children, they continue with these algorithms. these algorithms that force us to look upon ourselves, our young girls who are experiencing these deep, deeply troubled understandings of themselves, their sense of bodies, their sense of beauty, the ways in which they are driving other people toward suicidality and the like. so part of what we have to do is begin to think of these platforms as social goods. right? right now, they are platforms aimed at making profit, there are also places for public deliberation and the like. they need to be regulated. i know that goes against the basic bloodstream, the orientation of certain folk in

the country, but they have to be regulated, or the very foundation of american democracy will continue to fray. i know that sounds hyperbolic, but it is absolutely the case, it seems to me. >> mary, children in this country, especially girls, are experiencing self-esteem issues, a loneliness crisis. it is in large part because of the social media platforms. what do we need these companies to do? the idea to do the right thing, there right thing is to make more money. >> but how possible is tech regulation? that's what it comes down to. there are cyber bully gangs, where cowards go to die. i will tell you, i will give you an example. it happens in women's tennis association. you are so fat, i lost a bunch of money on you. you watch kids coming up the court, these young women, they got their bags. they've taken, they lost their match, they've taken their phone out of their bags, and

they are looking at all this god awful stuff the people are saying about them. i see it all the time. all the time. and you say, stay off of social media. don't look at it during this tournament. that's how bad it is. how you regulate them, maybe it is too late. well, how do you protect your kids? >> listen, i have the reverse. i'm really difficult, and my kids have very limited access to social media. the problem with that is, you are the odd man out. you are one step behind and not connected to that social circle. but susan, it goes beyond mental health. we are hearing more and more stories about kids being the victims of social media scams. they are getting tricked into sending inappropriate images or paying people money. they are getting stocked by predators. lawmakers know about all of this, but congress has done nothing. is that because, at the end of

the day, the lobbying dollars from the social media companies are so massive, congress just continues to turn a blind eye? just having another hearing with ceos doesn't do squat. it's just a show. >> you know, part of it may be a show of campaign cash, a part of it is just trying to figure out what would be effective to do. surgeon general's proposal, i wonder if it was just an effort to get everybody's attention. as he's been talking for several years about the need to do more for social media companies, to act more responsibly, and he hasn't gotten very far. it's not like there's one solution. it's not like there's one law we can pass or one label we can slap on social media sites and it's going to take care of this. we need to do a bunch of different things together. parents need to, congress needs to do more regulation. social media companies need to be more responsible. we shouldn't look at this as something that is already done and there's nothing we can do about it. because look at the plight of kids these days when they are

growing up. it has become a really tough age. >> james, why do you think congress has done so little? >> i mean, i will say this about social media -- the meanest thing on earth is a seven grade girl. i know each one of you would agree with me. there's nothing more vicious anventh grade girl, i promise you. but you know, mary and i had that experience. and people are very concerned about it. how do you ban it? it's out there in the ether. it's in the bloodstream. i don't know. i'm not savvy enough. i'd have to quote somebody that has better ideas. people are concerned about it. when we see data and people don't like it, they don't like big tech. but how do you outlaw it? i don't know. i'm not sufficiently able to do

that. but i know that the seventh grade girls use it like crazy. >> they sure do. so, do you feel like most parents are worrying too much about leaving their kids unsupervised in the outside world, but we are not worrying enough about what kids are doing inside with their phones? because it's a far more dangerous place, who is lurking in this phone, then on your street corner. >> i don't know. i can't say for sure whether our parents are failing in this regard. i do know that there's a sense in which the phone has become an attachment for all of us. could you imagine not being without your phone in some ways? could you imagine driving somewhere without having gps to take you someplace? the technology has become an integral part of our lives. i do think there's a sense in which some form of regulation has to kick in.

we know that certain kids can't go to certain movies. if it's rated r, they can't go. if it's pg-13, if you're under 13, there are ways in which you can regulate -- we view it as a public utility. there's a way in which we can regulate it. part of what we can do is to understand the nature of, how can we put it differently? what role is social media playing in the very way in which we live, the public goal? it can't just simply be a private issue that only parents can deal with, right? it has to be something that we do with as a society, it seems to me. >> yes, mary? >> i was just going to say, never went go to your room was punishment? punishment? >> but remember, we have a similar issue with video games at one point, right?

i was of the age one time when atari came out. i just dated myself. i was playing pong and frog are or whatever it was called. we thought we were ruining the minds of children. now it is much more complicated. social media serves as the space for public deliberation. we need to think about it differently. >> i believe it was called broader. >> i will say this -- it is in the ether. i don't know how you can unscramble this thing. there's a way to do it, but, you know, parents have got to be aware that kids can interact with the world. it's probably just part of their education. we do want to tell a ninth grader that there's people in the world, they might faint if you listen to some of these people. some of it is just ridiculous.

>> all right. everybody is staying put. the most important take away is that the most vicious specimen on earth, we agree, is that seventh grade girl. when we come back -- you are 100% right. when we come back, we are sharing our mvps of the week. you do not want to miss them when the nightcap continues. ca.

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i wasn't jittery, my cravings went away. i felt satisfied and healthy and had tons of energy. give golo a shot you won't be sorry. >> it is now time to close out the week with everybody's mvps. who had the biggest, most notable week out there, barry?

i turn to you first. i know you have a very special one. >> i think ed has the same one, and i can't articulate how he so great in the way that eddie can, but i can quote barack obama and say it's because of giants that i even saw myself becoming president. willie made it absurd to be a racist, and willie himself said, it's a very simple game, baseball. when they hit, i catch it. when they throw it, i hit it. very simple. simple, maybe, but not easy, and willie mays made it look easy. >> betty? >> you know, i called ditto everything that was just said. but you know, we have to understand, he achieved excellence against the backdrop of a country committed to unimaginable ugliness. last night, stephanie, they

played the game, the san francisco giants against the st. louis cardinals in birmingham in honor of the birmingham black barons. and reggie jackson, a hall of famer, talked about his experience as a baseball player , and he brought attention to all the horrors. one of the things to understand about willie mays is greatness is that it happened in a context in which people doubted his capacity. who tried to limit him. and his excellence proves them all wrong. and so i should say that we celebrate him in this moment on this day against the backdrop of the commemoration of the murder of michael schwarber, andrew goodland, and james chaney. mississippi freedom summer of 1964. it gives you a sense of how towering a figure mays was to rise above all of that ugliness. >> my goodness. eddie, you are an incredible

speaker. susan? >> yeah, well, my mvp is anthony fauci. the nation's top infectious disease doctor. from a.i.d.s. through covid, his memoir came out this week and i interviewed him for it for usa today. even now, 83 years old, retired for a year and a half, he is still getting death threats for him and his family, his wife and his daughters. he told me that deep down, he still believes that somebody may just kill him. >> oh, my gosh. that is horrible. my goodness. mr. carville, how about you? >> i watched anything last night and it was quite moving. willie mays had time. he knew when to die, didn't he? when the ball was in there, he was out. i'm taking my hat off to -- not

that he did anything so spectacular this week, but of anybody in the country that understands, not just morally and ethically corrupt the supreme court is, but how actually corrupt it is inside the white house. and he is on the front here. he is not backing off. he is a very astute legal scholar, and he is a very astute politician. my hat is off to him, and a very confident and everybody watching the show should be confident that we have someone in the white house in the united states senate that knows of these people are up to. >> i'm going to skip my mvp tonight, because i don't have one or two or three or four. tonight's guest achieve the show helping our audience get better and smarter. i am in awe, i am grateful. susan, eddie, mary, james. what a lineup. in queue for hanging out with us on this friday night. we will be right back. back.

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